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Market Crisis: Is Your Thrift Savings Plan Investment Safe?

By OhMyGov! Sep 16 2008, 01:34 PM

As the Dow Jones industrial average tanked over 504 points yesterday, even the most conservative and passive of investors (read: TSP's G fund patrons) could not help but take notice. The worst market day since the 2001 terrorist attacks underscores the sense that Former Fed Chair, Alan Greenspan, stated over the weekend: we are in fact in a recession.

But what does that mean for government employees and military personnel invested in the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP)?

Even conservative investors are bound to see their retirement yields go down, at least until the market corrects; but the Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board is crafting a contingency plan to keep the TSP running in the event of a firm collapse.

Currently, the assets of the G Fund are managed internally by the Board, while the assets of the F, C, S, and I Funds are managed by outside investment firm Barclays Global Investors. The F, C, S, and I Funds, each of which has a portfolio based on the composition of a market index, remain invested in Barclays funds regardless of the performance of the securities markets. The L Funds are invested in the five individual TSP funds based on professionally determined asset allocations.

However, the recent collapse of major firms like Bear Sterns, and now Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch, are raising the proverbial red flag for TSP and partner Barclays. In response, Gregory Long, TSP's executive director, continues to reinforce the message that if you have a long-term goal, you should have long-term plans. Even so, Long and the Board recognize that participants may benefit by buying equity funds when their value is low, a technique known as dollar cost averaging, which is intended to reduce exposure to risk associated with making a single large purchase.

The idea is simple: spend a fixed dollar amount at regular intervals (e.g., monthly) on a particular investment or portfolio/part of a portfolio, regardless of the share price. In this way, more shares are purchased when prices are low and fewer shares are bought when prices are high. The premise of dollar cost averaging is that the investor wants to guard against the market losing value shortly after making his investment. Therefore, he chooses to spread his investment over a number of periods.

So what's the best strategy? TSP is a long-term investment and market volatility will always exist. While stock values never really go straight up; they all rise and fall over time; it's all about risk management and risk tolerance. However, investors within four years of retiring could consider shifting money into the less risky G Fund. But for long term retirement investors, a panic response could wind up costing a lot of money. Your best strategy is to ride out the storm or purchase equities while prices are down - just think of it as a big Macy's sale that will end soon, albeit not soon enough.


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TOM
September 30, 2008 10:27 PM

Yes, you should be in for the long term. But what if the end of your long term investment is now.  Just retired and the ones taking the early out and moving their money, have lost big time and don't get a chance to rebuild.  A lot of stocks have held steady and a lot have of stocks have went up in value the last several years,  I am not sure, why such as the C fund has had a lost for a while.  It seems like the C fund has been invested in borderline stock, no name stocks.  I think TSP should relook at the investors and look at what type of stock they are investing in.  I can understand the current stockmarket troubles, but I see no reason why the C fund should be a constant loser.  Even if it is called a high risk C fund, why can't it be a high risk with stocks that are known to make a profit.  Maybe TSP should change investors, they certainly need to reexamine the investing process.

Al
October 2, 2008 8:58 PM

The C Fund is not "a constant loser" "invested in borderline stock." Over the last 5 calendar years from 2003 - 2007 it has an annualized return of 12.8% The C Fund is a S&P 500 Index very similar to any other S&P 500 Index from from Fidelity and Vanguard and as such has similar returns.

Peaceful Gains
October 24, 2008 4:52 PM

It's true that over the long term, stocks do (or did) go up. But that's not the whole story. The key question is, how long is the long term? Stocks today are *lower* than they were 10 years ago.

Instead of "buying and holding", you should consider the risk of the investment. When stocks have a lower risk, you should be in stocks. But when the risk rises, you should get out of stocks and get into something safer. For example, we've been completely out of stocks since mid-July. Following this strategy, you could make much more money than simply buying and holding stocks. What's more important, you could make that money with your account experiencing way less volatility.

bzane
March 5, 2009 4:46 AM

*******

Check your Beneficiary - mine was changed

    and there is no paperwork to cause it.

*******

It's a blatant unauthorized change to the database.  It could have been your info.

*******

The TSP  is trying to tell me it's a clerical error.

Any idea what that means.

All my savings would have been turned over to a stranger.

They recognize the obvious error, but want to downplay it.

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Just luck I spotted it on the ANNUAL Statement.

It hasn't been on any other statements because those statements contain the following: "Designated Beneficiary on file xx/xx/xxxx"

Just Luck me and my family haven't gotten ripped off for all the cash . . . and I HAVE to keep it in the TSP.

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This program scares the hell out of me now.

And when I first called them, she said she had heard of other cases ! ! !

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 They say I can't have a security official look into the problem or call me back, but I can fax them an updated TSP-3.

 I ask about putting the Designated Beneficiary in the on-line information.

 They say they don't have any plans to change the on-line info via www.tsp.gov

 I am outraged.  If I were the database admininstrator or security officer I would be all over this, getting more information, and finding out WHEN the data was changed, and WHO had access to the data *at that time*.

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I feel like they don't believe me - but somehow the DATA GOT CHANGED.

 You tell me how the data got changed.

 I didn't sign up for this.

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Several phone calls later, and they blow me off.

The gave me a non-functional fax number, and I had to call back and convince them that number was no good.  Lack of attention to details.

My name is Robert.  

The Designated Beneficiary was changed to POK SUN.

  That person would have walked off with all my savings - and there is nothing that could have been done ! ! !

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Hope I don't die befor they get the correct information into my accout.

Any suggestions how I can get this matter looked into ?

contact me:      bzane@hdo.net

Gary
March 7, 2009 10:31 PM

Along about Oct/Nov 2008 when the markets really started to stutter, I reallocated my TSP holdings and allocations to 80% G and 5% to the remaining F, C, S, and I Funds.  My recent TSP annual statement informs me that I lost over $17K in value....pretty scary!  On the other hand, I think I feel pretty good about still investing in the FCS and I funds at this thim, because those fund shares are essentially on sale right now.  In fact, I'm actually considering (as soon as the market bottoms out and starts to rebound) reallocating again and dumping a lot more $$ in the riskier funds again while they're still on sale.  Does this sound like a sound strategy to anyone?  By the way, I'm a YC-03 who's about 7 years from my 20 year civil service retirement.

Gary

famcoll
March 24, 2009 3:37 AM

This article doesn't answer the question its title poses about safety.  We all know the USG is bankrupt.  We all know social security is a current account (basically unfunded with no savings base behind it).  I have to assume the TSP "interest" isn't real either and the USG is just paying what is required in withdrawals when it must be paid to the account holder.  

It would be useful if you would answer the question:  is money in the TSP safe?  The Fed is buying our own debt now because no one else wants it.  What happens when the USG goes belly up?  It doesn't seem so far-fetched anymore.  If people are living on USG pensions, with TSP savings, and other money in "FDIC insured" banks -- what happens when there is no cash to pay the pensions, support the TSP withdrawals, or cover the deposits?  

If the answer is:  "the USG just prints more" then I know it is time to cash out and run.

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