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Number of illegal immigrants in U.S. may be closer to 20 million

By Eliza Krigman Apr 10 2008, 08:47 AM

The "12 million undocumented and illegal immigrants" residing in our country have fueled the national discourse on immigration reform.  The number is repeatedly cited by immigration reform advocates like CNN's Lou Dobbs looking to incite support for their policies in curtailing the influx of foreigners.  But few politicos and pundits ever stop to ask two questions fundamental to the immigration debate: How do we calculate the number of illegal immigrants? And where did the number 12 million come from? 

The methodology for counting unauthorized immigrants relies on a lot of assumptions which call into question the accuracy of the results. Twelve million may be the most popular number cited for illegal immigrants in the U.S at present, but some estimates, like one from Bear Stearns, believe the count is actually closer to a whopping 20 million.

The different estimates stem from the varied methodologies used to arrive at a figure. Most approximations of the size and characteristics of the illegal immigrant population use the "residual method," pioneered by Jeffrey Passel of the Pew Hispanic Center. It is Dr. Passel who first came up with the estimate of 12 million illegal immigrants. The most recent estimate by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) on the unauthorized population also uses the residual method.  
 

The residual method uses a 2000 U.S. Census survey as its starting point because it yields an estimate on the number of foreign-born residents. Researchers subtract the number of immigrants who were authorized to come to the U.S. from the number of foreign-born residents counted by the Census Bureau.  This number is then adjusted using estimates of immigrant deaths and migration, and to account for Census undercounting.

Because the estimate of foreign-born individuals living in the U.S. derived by the Census relies on survey respondents to answer the Census questionnaire honestly, and because the survey was done eight years ago, neither the estimate of foreign-born individuals nor the 12 million illegal immigrant estimate can be trusted.  Are we to believe that houses full of illegal immigrants would give an accurate count of the people inside their home to Census takers?  Even more absurd is the belief they would even fill out the survey or be found by the Census in the first place.

DHS  anticipates the undercounting and adjusts their illegal immigrant estimates by a rate of 10% to account for it.  But the adjustments amount to nothing more than guesswork; they are made without any means of precision. 

‘Outmigration' also throws off estimates of illegal immigrants.  Outmigration occurs when authorized immigrants leave the country or die.  The events-which are projected from norms rather than recorded-alter the accuracy on the legal resident immigrant count used to calculate the number of illegal immigrants.  Even Dr. Passel confesses that Outmigration is "hard to measure."   

In 2005, Bear Stearns analysts determined that the surveys conducted by the Census Bureau undercounted the number of illegal immigrants by far more than 10%. Through discussions with illegal immigrants, Bear Stearns found that immigrants avoid responding to Census questionnaires and work very hard to conceal their identities.

As an alternative to the residual method, Bear Stearns used micro-economic indicators to project an alternative estimate. They examined trends in school enrollment, foreign remittances and housing permits in states with high populations of undocumented immigrants like Texas, California, and New York. 

Underpinning Bear Stearns' estimate of 20 million illegal immigrants is the identification of two patterns: 1) a trend of sharply increased demand for public services in communities that have become gateways for immigration, and 2) increases in foreign remittances (money sent back to an immigrant's native country), housing permits and border-crossings.

Given the unrecorded nature of the illegal immigration phenomenon, it's unlikely that a well-founded or rigorous method of measurement will be developed. The reality is, the math is fuzzy and the most definitive conclusion one can make is that the measurements of illegal immigrants in the U.S. are subject to extreme inaccuracies.


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levotb
April 10, 2008 10:44 AM

I appreciate Ms. Krigman's piece on "numbers" and especially the detailing of the Jan. 3, 2005 Bear Stearns Report--which immediately caused Lou Dobbs to begin quoting "20 million" every night on hos show. Now, apparently, Dobbs hs recanted to 12 million? I don't believe it, but I suppose anything is possible. Notice I wrote "the Jan. 3, 2005 Bear Stearns Report". That report (which Ms. Krigman fails to point out) used 2004 data. Let me repeat--IT USED 2004 DATA!! It is now 2008, nearly four years and millions of illegal aliens later, and they aren't going back--yet. Time Magazine had a now-famous cover story on the Invasion in 2005. That report stated that 5 million broke into the U.S. in 2004! Since that time, it has been widely accepted among Border experts that on average, between 5,000 and 10,000 illegal aliens, mostly poor Mexicans, break into the U.S. every 24 hours. The higher figure represents about 3.5 million per year. While Ms. Krigman mentions how deaths were used by the Pew in calculating the number of illegals, it is interesting because many death certificates do not show a person's nationality. Since he's dead and may have had fraudulent ID or stolen ID on him, how do we know if he's illegal? They don't check. Thus, deaths are NOT a way to estimate the number of illegals in the U.S. Ms. Krigman hasn't done her homework on the subject. Had she done so, she would have mentioned the most recent and thorough study of "numbers" of illegal aliens in the U.S.--the October 2007 CAPS Report at http://www.capsweb.org/content.php?id=242&menu_id=8 The panel who made this report consisted of illegal immigration experts. They found that the figure is between 20 and 38 million. Only a few found it to be 20 million. And that report was 6 long, invasion months ago! That is why I believe the actual number to be 40 million.

Chuck Adzemaohich
April 10, 2008 11:02 AM

Mexican! WHY do we NEED MORE MEXICAN’S Seriously, what makes the Mexican illegal alien so special? NOW!! They smell Amnesty in 2009! What do we owe Mexico, as our neighbor to the South, or the Mexican Nationals living in the United States of America Illegally? If we truly wanted to help the Worlds less fortunate, why do we not hold out the hand of Mercy to the Sudanese, Haitians, Moldavian, Central American’s, and those starving children of Chad these the huddled masses of these Nations are truly in need? All we hear about is the poor Mexican this, the poor Mexican that! Arizonians, have invested Millions upon Millions of dollars on its ELL program, there are at least 140,000 of these children in Arizona alone, GOD, knows how many are in California, and for what? Every other ethnic immigrant group managed to adapt to our American educational system. These children went on to become the intellect behind the Manhattan Project, NASA, and were instrumental in winning the Cold War! LOOK IT UP!!! Mexico is a Democratic Republic and one of the richest countries in the world; half of all Latin America’s Billionaires are from Mexico including top dog “Carlos Slim”! Mexico is a Republic in name only. It is an Oligarchy or Plutocracy, “Ask a Mexican” do we ever read articles in The New Times, Arizona Republic or any Major American Daily reporting how corrupt Mexico is? How about a piece on the indigenous native Mexicans demand for land REFORM in the South and the genocide associated with it? Or the R__e, Murder, Assault and Robbery of the Central Americans on Mexico’s southern border. Mexico, the legendary Mexican and in particular the “Soncho” are a JOKE in the Spanish-speaking world. A quote from the Soncho play book “I love you so many, I hardly can told you!” seriously, name two significant accomplishments Mexico has contributed to the world other then street drugs, gangs, mother’s illegally in the US with five children, raising our property tax’s for ELL instruction because Mexican children can not learn English in FIVE years, KILLING more Americans then the WAR, the list goes on and on! LOOK IT UP! Soncho, said “You stole our LAND, gringo” reply “We should have taken it all, YOU did Jack S__t with the rest and BLAME the USA for your failures ” Every person employed in Law Enforcement in Arizona from the Governor to the Cop on the beat should be ashamed to CASH his or her paycheck, due to dereliction of duty! All they seem capable of doing is to nibble at the loose ends, raid the high profile Drop House. They fear the wrath of Political Correct, and there hand off policy of the Mexican National; less we offend the Latino Community! One man puts duty before PC Joe A, our Sheriff and he is called a “Racist” for protecting us! Are those of us who want are immigration laws enforced Racist, xenophobic, or nativeists I strongly believe that being an American is not a Color, Creed, or National Origin it is a State of Mind and Sprit. The Will of the People supported by or Laws governs us. Our Executive branch both State and Federal are empowered to enforce these Laws equally by the will of the Governed. Our current immigration system in not broken its not enforced. Open you eyes and look at what has happened to OUR Nation after the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (Simpson-Mazzoli Act); Less the 1 Million turned into 3.5 Million + now it is 2008 with 20 Million+ this will become 100 Million in twenty years! For the record I Helped Document a number of the applicants in the Amnesty to END all FUTURE Amnesties! I am the Grandchild of Immigrants and it was a Debt of Honor I was Happy and Willing to Repay! The truth behind our Federal and State government’s reluctance too invoke their Prosecutorial discursion in dealing with Employers and everyone else making Big Bucks off the illegal aliens is GREED! It is all about GREED and The Arizona Republic is feasting from the same feedbag as the Chamber of Commerce, they want there cut! Our elected Representative's are pandering to BIG and small business. Our Nation’s thirst for cheap disposable labor has corporate America afflicted with a condition akin to alcoholism “One is to much and 20 million isn’t enough”. Corporate America’s dependence on Illegal aliens undermines enforcement of our existing Immigration law. All of the hype over the Latino vote or the Hispanic caucus in just smoke and mirrors. It is a about GREED? The Employer Sanction Law is in effect, time will tell if any of the Big Boys take a HIT! “God Bless the United States of America, and the Men and Women who have made her Great!”

Juan Hernandez
April 10, 2008 12:43 PM

The number is at least 20 million. If you look at the number of border crossing, the births to illegals at US hospitals, the huge and growing Hispanic population in almost every state (these people didn't come out of thin air), the use of Spanish in almost all business, and the 1000's I see every day that weren't here 5 years ago - and it does seem to highly suggest that there's a lot more of them. If we don't close down the border, we'll soon have 40, 60, 100 million. It's pretty bad around here already, but it could get worse.

Ali
April 10, 2008 12:44 PM

12 or 20? Does it really matter. We only need to know we have one heck of a lot of people violating the law and that one illegal alien is too many.

Juan Hernandez
April 10, 2008 12:48 PM

Sure, give them driver's licenses. This CBS article sums up we shouldn't provide any additional incentives to illegals. Be warned, if your read the article, it will totally piss you off........ www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/07/eveningnews/main4000401.shtml

simplyillegal
April 10, 2008 1:00 PM

The Illegal immigrants are exploiters of America if the come here without assimilating. Legal immigrants are welcome! Criminals from other countries are not wanted or needed by America--and we have laws on the books to protect ourselves from these lawless invaders. We are so caught up in greed, so tangled up in political correctness, that we have lost (among other things) our sense of balance and sanity. We are giving away our nation to illegal foreigners who do not want or understand our way of life. Many of us have had enough of lawlessness on a grand and unprecedented scale. End illegal immigration and deport all illegal immigrants.

Peter
April 10, 2008 1:41 PM

One illegal immigrant is to many because it only takes one criminal alien to pull the trigger as we have seen in so many tragic cases.

Rick Hickey
April 10, 2008 2:00 PM

The Californians for Population Stabilization took the Bear-Stearns numbers and used the official Border Patrol #'s and then used a former head State Economist for CA. and came up with 22-35 Million here Illegally. That 12 million # is mostly from Pew from 3 years ago, even at only 1 Million per year that number should be at least 15 Million by now

frank l kinney
April 10, 2008 2:51 PM

we lose gain nothing from illegal immigration. texas, arizona, california, new york, illinois, the cost is unbelievable!!! the cost is the american economy? three amigo's whish to give what" 35 million amnesty? enforce clear act of 07 which cuts off federal funds to so called sanctuary citys would be nice? san francisco's gavin newsom, obama's illinois! hillary bloomberg new york! enforcement we just don't see" what we do see is protection from enforcement from states and goverment!!! mcCain kyl arizona with open borders? gov. new mexico's billy richardson giving driver license out over four years? american victims from crime does not bother anyone in washington? texas, D- mouth jackson, R- lamar smith, R- hutchison, R-ron paul? hutch stops fence? lamar smith wants triple visas? D we all know where they stand, like the 14 to stop the fence protectionist!!! all tell us they want are votes period " what we get in return is what they all have on their agenda now" lobbyist running there campaigns lobbyist? corporate lobbyist and their best interest? third world country we get !!! look how they protect our safety in planes? look at refugees with TB leprosy syphilis in arkansas tyson foods plant" thats wonderful news!! refugees let into our country not even screened for disease? secure border is the only thing that will show any sense yet this they try to stop!!! how can any american citizen not see the reality of the amigo three? support this kind of neglect and security from the three amigo's dumb!!!! thrid party candidate? ron paul putting togeather a libertarian candidate? whats that someone who is not a full liberal? constitution party.com as a few good candidates! oh we need a change big time!!! but a person that can deal with all the issues and put our country back in order! system! values! schools! immigration! imports! security! jobs! wages! health care and protection from it thats for sure!!! china made blood thinner kills murders 103 american citizens? does not even make news? walmart china supplied health clinics future?h-1 b h-2 b foreign visas for foreign nurses and doctors? visas for foreign tech workers? we are getting nailed from everywhere and are getting nowhere, but foreclosers? won't even give help to americans here either? hell they set it up? they get bailed out? when one really sees reality and what this goverment is doing us all" what TIMBER!!! 2ND GRADE READING" GAY READING! obama iran lets talk? iran talk to a gay prayer type guy? ugly ugly nothing but ugly? 6 years of this kind of ugly in michigan!!! look at what all america is getting NOW? if anything i tryed to tell it! i'am know quiz kid and do not try to be one either" but i sure know a dirty rat when i see him! trouble is thats all we ever see don't you think? independent. read lou dobbs book, one will see just a little more clearly. spirit michigan little big horn AMEN.

William Garland
April 10, 2008 6:42 PM

Another source of information on the number of illegal aliens is Immigrationcounters.com which places the nunmber at over 21 million and provides a rationale for how it arrived at that number.

Doroteo arango
April 13, 2008 12:18 AM

To all that are cry baby's, there is nothing that will stop the Latin population from growing in the united states, Obama will be another president that comes from a immigrant family too just like every other race,white,black,hispanic,asians that came to this beautiful country! All races have always fought to be free in this country and it’s only fair to do so. my question to all you idiots that are trying to solve a migration(invasion) problem that started since CHRISTOPHER COLOMBUS, what is more illegal, crossing the entire ocean and landing on the united states illegally or crossing a river and walking into the united states illegally? Every person that has lived in this country (except American & Mexican Indians) at one point crossed the ocean; the Rio Bravo River, desert, and mountains to get here so go back and learn American history. Hope you can answer my question.

Doroteo Arango
April 13, 2008 12:36 AM

The Fence, what a joke, tax payer money wasted, just like the billions that are being spent in Iraq and all the brave men that have given their lives for America, whithin these brave men there are Illigals from mexico too. I think that when they are under fire, no one is asking what is your statues back in America. We are all immigrants!!

Adelaida Ochoa
April 17, 2008 5:59 PM

I Agree with you we don't come here to take your job away all we want is to have a better life for our family that doesn't hurt anybody.....

Elena
May 6, 2008 3:38 PM

Dear Adelaida, Yes you certainly are taking our jobs ,first in the fields then its going for a better job (which is understandable). MY husband who was born here 5th generation does not have a job or works for lower wages. The ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT having THE ILLEGALS ARE ....OUR... OH say BUSH,CHENEY BIG BUSINESS....DEW DEW to the ENTIRE REST OF THE USA

rhonda
May 10, 2008 2:11 AM

Our economy is going to the dogs. "Illegals are good for our economy" the exploiters who hire them lie and say. Not only do they take our jobs (I know more Americans who earn less than minimum wage these days than the number of illegals who do, but we Americans all pay taxes, because employers have loopholes and can get away with underpaying us), illegals pay no taxes, steal our health care we can't afford to pay for (though we pay the taxes for it), and then we're "reminded" how great our economy is. GREAT? Prices are going up exponentially, taxes are going up exponentially, salaries are dropping below minimum wage, and Mexicans have huge amounts of money. My Mexican neighbors (illegals) all have nice, shiny new vehicles, $250 toys for EACH of their kids, and are always buying something big, like a large screen TV. They all have nice new 50" TVs, while I have a 30-year-old falling apart thing that won't work next year. Adelaida, when you come here to make a "better life," pay for your OWN emergency room visits and your own kids' educations. You ARE hurting us when you steal our tax dollars for your FREE health care or to educate your kids. And don't go on welfare. It's not a handout. It's supposed to temporarily help Americans. The day we can go to Mexico and get welfare before Mexican citizens is the day you can come here and get it before Americans can...with my blessing.

Proud Mexican in the U.S.
May 22, 2008 3:23 AM

Stop crying about illegal immigrants taking your jobs and get yourself a job. I am a college student with no benefits such as Financial Aid, and I don't sit and whine about it. I work part-time and my husband a legal immigrant is able to support our family as I attend college.... The minimum wage an illegal immigrant earns belongs to them they earned it, by doing many of the low-class jobs that so many people won't do! American society has long been addicted to cheap labor so all the whining should take place at the door of the employers who hire them......oh yeah and all of you who complain about not having a job,and claim all of the American jobs are being taken, grab a hat, long sleeved shirt, jeans and a jug of water because your going to need to harvest your own crops as soon as you deport all of the illegal immigrants. Have a Nice Day!!

uk immigration serf
June 2, 2008 5:52 AM

I'm not sure how the UK compares in terms of percentage of population but just in shear numbers I hadn't realised the huge increase in numbers of illegal immigrants. Whatever, the solution it's looking like an increasingly overwhelming situation... whatever the solutions will not be palatable for all and will cost taxpayers billions. I guess this is what happens when governments sit on a problem and don't do enough, early enough.

American proud to say Welcome!
July 7, 2008 9:37 AM

To all of the whinners in the world it's too bad you take for granted the opportunity for a higher quality of life we possess here in America, and waist your effort complaining about those who do. If you ever had the opportunity to live the life many of these "Mexican illegals" lived before risking their lives to provide a better one for thier family, you may understand. If you cared at all about your own you wouldn't want them to live a life in which you were responsible for not pursuing better for them! By the way so many of you have mentioned No Taxes, HELLO, where do all the deductions from their paychecks go for the years held and never claimed? Oh and have you any knowledge on the other nationalities who come to the US and recieve tax breaks and for them the process for becoming a citizen? Why is this so much easier for all but "Mexicans"? As for taking the jobs, there is no excuse for an american without one, besides laziness. The American business owner knows this and uses it to there advantage. Don't worry the illegals are beginning to realize their intellect, labor skills and work ethic are far better than the average American worker, it is only a matter of time before they insist on and recieve a higher wage than most of the American laborers. Oh and when they do learn english, and become legal with drivers liscense, look out because then they wont have to settle for the less desireable positions! You may just be going to thier businesses in search of a JOB! I send my warm welcome once again to all of the illegal immigrants, keep on coming and settle for nothing less than than you know you deserve! To all the rest of you learn to appreciate what you have and are able to provide your family with, you never know when you may one day be down and out! The same faces you see and laugh at when you are rising to the top, may one day be the very same faces you see when you fall and need a hand! After all regardless of what, aren't we supposed to love our neighbor!??????? Be blessed!

Hulia
September 3, 2008 5:57 PM

I can't believe how long we have let this immigration problem go on. We deport hundreds of people from Europe and Other countries like Samolia why should Mexican illegals be any different even if the companies they work for would have to pay higher wages and maybe we might have to pay a little more for food it would still cost us a help of a lot less than we are paying for their illegal asses to spend crime and desease in our country now.

John Anthony
September 16, 2008 2:15 PM

Juan Hernades Why do you like to refer immigrants as them whent you know yuou are one of us. we are here to work. we do the worst jobs found in the u.s. if you want to do them do them dont insult me for doing something you dont want to do! i gota

Proud to be an American
September 16, 2008 8:58 PM

Wow people. First of all for all of you who say that immigrants don't pay taxes you guys need to definitely get your facts straight. When Immigrants go to get their paychecks they ALSO HAVE TO pay taxes And a lot of times they get more taken away than they should. Yet they can't claim that money at the end of the year like you and me.When they go to any store they also have to pay sales tax. As for the part where they take away OUR jobs thats total BULL!!! How many American Born citizens do you know that would love or dream to work in the fields?Or mowing lawns? what about working at a fast food restaurant? NONE!!! All of you who claim you can't find jobs are obviously not trying hard enough or are just plainly high school drop outs!!! Because if an unskilled and illiterate illegal immigrant is coming to the U.S. and is taking YOUR job chances are you DIDN'T take advantage of going to school to learn like you are supposed to. And don't make up excuses to why you didn't graduate because the truth is it's not very hard to graduate high school. And it won't kill you to do an extra 2 to 4 years of college so that way you don't have to worry about getting YOUR job taken away from a so called "illegal immigrant"!!!!

truthezawesome
September 19, 2008 12:38 PM

Im an american that realized america is not a free country because if it was then any human being should be able to come here from another country for free. What happen to we dont discriminate against color, race , or religion . For all the people who complain mexicans need to pay taxes give them a social security card so they can i know they wont have a problem doing that and if you claim that we pay for there health care you are so wrong the news paper did a study on the two hospitals in our town both directors of the hospitals agree the illegal immigrants pay cash for there bill up front and that the bills in the arrearage owed to the hospitals are from american citizens thats right us the people born here are ripping off the hospitals . I have 6 brothers not one of them are willing to roof, work in the fields, or fast food . I hate to say it most of these jobs americans wont do so the farmers dont have a choice but to hire mexicans because they know they will work hard for every penny. So the question is what happen to america is free the land of the free why arent we stepping up to the plate for what we believe in if the problem is crime then we need to make the mexicans legal have them all fingerprinted pictures taken social securty cards if you say they can run back to mexico well news flash us americans can commit murder and run to mexico also except we dnt need a green card to enter not even a passport its pretty sad that mexicans cant enter the same way!

dotherightthing
September 30, 2008 5:01 PM

Wow. I am currently doing some research on illegal immigration, and I only see cons. I can't even understand why people have allowed illegal immigrants to continually flow into the U.S. Its amazing that people on this blog only greet these law-breakers with open arms. What kind of Americans are you? For the first blogger, I don't know how you understand the conditions of what these "poor illegal immigrants" are going through in their homeland, but I do know. My mother is a LEGAL immigrant of teh United States, and she came from India. I don't know if you have ever been there before, but I have 3 times, and I can assure you that it is no "walk in the park." She came to this country LEGALLY. There was no RUNNING over the border, no illegal status, and she was still able to enjoy America and its perks. For some of the other bloggers, according to Sonoran news in 2007, 36-42 % of illegal immigrants are living off of welfare. How the hell could they be diligently paying taxes, when half of them are using the tax payers money...? For the last blogger, your suggestion of giving them a social security card would be the dumbest idea yet. Social Security is nothing but crap and will only tax the future generations more and more. So no, we cannot just freely hand out Social Security cards. For those of you who DO support illegal immigrants, why don't you take them into your houses, feed them, care for them, transport them, and let the rest of us tax payers take a rest from these people. I would LOVE to see that happen. Ha.

illegalimmigrant
October 28, 2008 9:48 AM

i am not illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

luism
November 3, 2008 2:28 PM

How would you go about deporting millions of illegals when you don't even know how many are in the U.S.

Steven R. Scheise
November 6, 2008 2:38 PM

this was a very informative peice thank you

born here
November 7, 2008 11:20 AM

okay. all of those damn illegal aliens(mexicans) need to get the out of our country! now! thank you this was very informational

da mexican
November 13, 2008 12:10 PM

I think that mexicans should be allowed in the us. my dad has lived in the us for over 10 years and hasen't seen his mom or dad for that time and still cant get documents. i am a student at a charter high shool and i belive that mexicans should all get papers. so i send a message to all those people that don't want mexicans here "f u u mother f-ers u can all suck on my big thing you son o bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike Hasch
November 17, 2008 11:50 AM

I don't think illegal immigrants should be in the U.S. cuze the make a lot gangs and it's f*u*c*kin up our country. If they have paper's then it's ok, but if they don't then they should leave and don't come back cuze all u do is make problem's.

comin person
November 17, 2008 11:53 AM

no illegal's in the U.S.

Look at your last Name
November 18, 2008 4:14 AM

To all the peole ho have left a message on this board, I give you some homework tonight: look up your last name and if your last name didn't have to cross over seas or a land border then you have right to complain because the truth is that all of us are immigrants maybe you personally didn't smuggle in to the U.S. or walk through the dessert to get here but your great great grandpa did or your great great great great grandpa did!

colin
November 18, 2008 7:10 PM

stay in Mexico, illegal aliens! go pick apples some where else.

Obamagrl:P
November 18, 2008 10:45 PM

to "look at your last name"

Our country may be full of immigrants...but those of us who are not illegals **PAY TAXES**!!!! I dont know about you, but those people who don't pay taxes and are using our resources (like firefighters and police officers)are making me mad because they are jeopardizing other people lives, when they shouldn't even be here in the first place. I'm all for LEGAL immigration! go ahead, be my guest...Pay taxes! and yeah I'm against illegal immigration, but maybe we should try to close up our borders, (which we are thank god!) and then try to help make the illegal immigrants make there countries better, (after we get ourselves out of the pot hole we've dug ourselves into)

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oh and PS

go Obama!!!

Gringos suck!!
December 1, 2008 7:09 PM

ok you people only think immigrants are bad they don't pay taxes they come to ruin the country they take our jobs and such. When actually they work the jobs that you do not want to work for even less money and getting money taking away from them and cannot reclaim it at the end of the year. They are scared of the fact that they may be deported at anytime. Which does occur and they have to leave there children here alone in the country. Also what about back then when Europeans came here they didn't go through this crap like Hispanics go through. But no white people are always on top freaking jealous people!!!!

Oregon lady
December 2, 2008 12:22 AM

I think all illegals should be shipped back.. Has anyone been to a welfare office ?? It is so over run by Mexicans, you cant even get any help.. They come to our country have 5 babies and suck our economy dry, then send all of their money back to Mexico..

Mike Hasch
December 2, 2008 4:56 PM

Ya some illeals do take the jobs we U.S. Citizens don’t want, but a lot of them go to other jobs and take it from us legal Americans because these illegal dumb sh*t’s work for like 3 dollars an hour! They over populate our country and start stuff with our economy. Ya some of our great, great, great, great, great, grandparents came on a boat or walked from a fare distance to get here, but times have changed and this is a country that doesn’t take sh*t so get a green card or get out. PS. Illegal immigrants should know what their risking when they break the law.

Marissa
December 4, 2008 4:21 PM

if any one wants to talk about this give me a call cuze i'm illegal !!!!!

Nathan
December 17, 2008 9:13 PM

i like Carlos Mencia's idea on how to stop illegal immigration. When we capture an illegal alien, tell him that he is going to guard the border, and if any illegals pass through, the ones that got through will replace the one that was on guard. PROBLEM SOLVED!! The ones guarding will make sure that no one gets through or else they will get deported.

Chuck Miller
December 19, 2008 1:08 AM

America is a Soverign Nation with our national security in jepardy, because of very thinly protected borders.  Illegal Aliens have broken our Federal laws in crossing into our country without permission! Illegals include Islamic terrorists and Drug dealers and human trafficing. No other Country in the world allows people to come into their country, without going through the proper proceedures. America is a Republic, we live under our Constitution and Bill of Rights and the rule of law. Since 911 over 78,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens.  30% of our federal prison system are illegals.  Diseases are brought in and we now have a reacurence of a new strain of TB and various other diseases that we do not have a cure for.  Over $40 billion in illegal drugs such as cocain are brought across our borders every year to kill our family members and friends, if they can hook them on drugs.  Have you seen the enviormental disaster in Arizona and California?  Illegals have left garbage all over the place.  Take a look.  Oh yes some of you say we are all Illegals except the Indians.  Indians came from Asia and Europe, and this is 2008 and we  have laws against people that come here illegally.  Americans that are the most upset about Illegal Aliens are the immigrants that came here legally!  They learned our English language and our laws and swore a oath to our flag and Nation.  Thank You!

tncdel
January 26, 2009 1:03 PM

The number of illegals in the U.S. is over DOUBLE that:

at least 40 million.

proud immigrant
January 28, 2009 8:04 PM

ok i think it is ok for people to immigrate here but why do it illegally that pisses me off because what about the immigrants that saved money had to take classes so one day they can be a citzen but no you illegals whine about how you deserve rights. i am going to go to mexico illegally and demand rights and you know what i will be sent to jail so f**k you complainers do it the right way and become a citzen

Pointing finger at wrong source
January 31, 2009 6:31 PM

Yes it is obvious that illegal immigrants suck from public services (hospitals, schools, and welfare). It is also obvious that this problem will not stop - did we not pass Save our State Proposition 187 in 1994 that was so easily forgotten? Does it matter what people vent in forums or think about this issue? The problem is GREEEED!!!! American businesses are the source of America's problems, and will be its demise. Ironic? Yes and no. If ZERO contractors hired cheap labour, for how long would this problem continue? The gov't washes its hands and ignores the biggest issue facing America's sovereignty. Many great points were made by those responding to this article, but these complaints were made in the 90s too. Has it gotten better? Will anything change in the next ten years? It will change for the worse. Fence? This is a good solution if you believe regression is the right solution. Shutting out neighbors solves nothing. Besides, those living in this country illegally come from Asia, Africa, and Europe too. Those who come here legally and disregard visa limits are just as guilty. Back to the fence...And who would build it, illegals? The root of this problem is unscrupulous business greed. Probing around towns and chasing illegal immigrants is time consuming and doesn't stop the incoming flow. Curbing the source does everything. Do you believe checking the validity of an applicant's papers is difficult? Why don't employers do this? It shouldn't be a surprise why construction sites across the country are filled with illegal, exploited labour. Yes, they are here illegally. But don't forget that they are here because of the self-serving garbage who are undermining American labour while protecting the bottom line. With the economy on the decline, immigrants will become the target of the country's problems. Americans take notice when their wallets are hit. Meanwhile, businesses will find ways to curb declining profits by outsourcing and grabbing cheaper labour. It pays to be illegal. Remember: The next time you become outraged at those in this country illegally, direct your anger at those providing the magnets while filling their own wallets.

American Plain & Simple
February 7, 2009 2:12 PM

Most all of the comments mention "illegals do the jobs most Americans don't want to do". That's probably true, but....The employer the illegals work for should be fined an amount to equal the amount he has saved by hiring the illegals. Illegal aliens not only do the junk labor, they have babies, put their kids in school, get medical attention, live in apartments/houses, have dental care, food etc. etc.  all on the money they collect on welfare which the average 'Joe" American pays for.  All illegals need to be deported back to their homeland now! Take a look at the lines of illegals waiting to apply/collect their(actually our) money.  I'm tired of going thru the grocery check out line waiting for the illegal who has just purchased more groceries than I can afford and all they do is hand over their "welfare" tickets.  

shame u up
February 9, 2009 4:07 PM

you know why terrorists attack us becus all u fool american do some stupid mistakes

MS. YOU.KNOW.WHAT!
February 18, 2009 8:55 AM

ILLEGAL ALIENS! and immigration... a big problem in the US.. i've been reading all these comments and i have a comment of my ow. I am a Student At soth Side high school. I have come to the US to get a education.. I did not come here to join a gang, get into drugs, or KILL as 1 of ya said..whites.. I came here to learn. so for when I go to Mexico I can have knowledge of what I learned over here. I have been through so much-and have experienced so much-discrimmination. Some use to call me illegal- I used to cry! they would say they were going to deport me and my family- the least we would want. WE the ones that come here have a DREAM! just like once MARTIN LUTHER KING JR> once had, and now look at this OBAMA he's black and well if their is a blck president why can't their be MEXICANS here wit the drema of being someone and having a FREAKEN job!!!! All we need is some money and trying to live life as MOST of ya here do.. bt we are not freaken taking ya jobs.. we just look harder and do hose jobs some of ya dont take! Everyone is the same and your generation-trace it back- and you'll find your a freaken illegal like the rest of us!

Victoria
February 22, 2009 3:15 PM

TWENTY MILLION??? MORE LIKE 42 MILLION!

Victoria
February 22, 2009 3:18 PM

Marissa, you really got some nerve being proud to be illegal. My great grandparents had to work them selves to the bone to get into this country, LEGALLY, and you are truly a disgrace to this country, your country, and yourself. I hope you get arrested and thrown in sheriff Joe's tent city!

j wvilla
March 2, 2009 1:11 PM

how can you say theres 12 million, go to wallmart on a sat there you will see 1 million and counting and these are all on food stamps because as soon as they cross they drop an anchor baby so they can qualify for everything including government housing, wic, medicaid where one eats 20 eat! its our fault we tax payers take it and take it and senators just go on vacation! we need to implement the laws we have! DON'T HIRE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN! so they can go home!

tncdel
March 2, 2009 4:57 PM

No, the actual number of illegal aliens is CLOSER TO 40 MILLION!

Not 20 million.

George
March 5, 2009 8:07 PM

I arrived at the U.S in 1989. since then I have  look for work and work and work ect. , now 33 still with the same status , I'm loosing my mind , faith , self confidence and no hope for my future as a man who can support himself or help his family that way any normal human could and should , I just wanna be a part of society and contribute . But this would never ( it seens) going to be acomplished. my life is a mess , only getting worst.

Marie
March 14, 2009 2:31 PM

They all need to go home! The sooner the better. They need to over throw that corrupt government and make Mexico a place they can be proud to live in and leave OUR country alone.

John
March 18, 2009 6:41 PM

The Mexicans are the ones in the fields picking fruits and vegetables. I don't see any Americans volunteering to take these jobs so STOP COMPLAINING!

ILLEGAL person
March 26, 2009 3:28 PM

i'm illegal call me if you want to talk abot this 775-450-9244. i'll be waiting!!!!!!

Justin
March 31, 2009 10:06 AM

John, you're delusional at best. The so called money that they save you is a lot less than the money that it cost us to have them here. Think about it, many bring their families here, which leads to more schools (your greatest property tax percentage), more crime (leading to more police officers), more free health care to these people (leading to raising your premiums through the roof), more roadways need to be constructed (which includes more traffic, waste of fuel, repair, sanders in cold climate locations, etc.), and let's not forget all of the money they send back to their people in their country (further causing the dollar to lose value), and let's not also forget about all the money being dumped into school programs like ESL (English as a Second Language) which has shown very little improvement with these children's test scores and learning abilities, etc, etc. I could go on all day with this, but I feel that some of you will never change your minds on this issue no matter how many facts are thrown at you. One last thing John, before you open your mouth again, learn the fact with regards to the whole picture. What good will America be to the poor in the world if we take in so many people and strain our economy so much that we become like the countries in which they are leaving? Unfortunately, Commonsense seems to be alluding may in this country these days.

steve
April 2, 2009 11:39 AM

hi im steve and i would like to say to all illegals to go home and never come back your the ones that made our economy bad leave so america can be good again or go back and then come here with a green card

yessy
April 2, 2009 7:01 PM

steve person, immigrants cant just get a card out of the blue and illegals arent making the economy bad. its america whos doing their own harm, since they consume more than they produce. and by the way the US economy would sour without immigration, which is 14 percent of it.

me
April 5, 2009 9:41 PM

hey its me i would just like to tell all elegals to lose the freaken accent learn to speak english properly or go f***en home to mexico i hate pullen up to a drive thru and hearing

blahlkjopjfsoijiodjiojsdiojokifoio and having him say it over and over and finally when you order its the wrong order seriously.

billy joe
April 16, 2009 12:45 PM

i like me.

I AM American
April 18, 2009 2:30 PM

My parents came to the U.S. illegally in the late 70's, and they were able to receive their papers very easily. Today, that is not so... many illegal immigrants are here for years and still cannot get their papers... lawyer fees, paperwork, it is a LONG process, especially since the government has made it so difficult. My entire family was illegal but I am proud to say that, even though my parents did not graduate from high school... I actually go to one of the top universities in the U.S., a public ivy... studies have shown that immigrants do not lower wages (at the most 3 % for high school drop-outs)... immigrants definitely have a hard time assimilating since so many Americans look down on them, and this is not what they need. In the 1800's when immigrants from Ireland and Germany came over, they were looked down upon (reference countless racist articles published during that time)... yet here they are now looking down on Hispanics. Many Hispanics come here for a better life... DUH... and yes, they do pay taxes, they buy lots of stuff... sales tax, they give back to the economy in multiple ways... plus, all of the baby boomers out there can rejoice in the fact that (since there is a declining population in the U.S. due to declining fertility rates) there will be more people giving back in the end. I was born here in the U.S... I consider myself American (but I also proud to of my parents for their journey)... If they had not come to the U.S.... I would probably be pregnant and selling tortillas in the hot sun in a crappy little house with no future. All I am telling you all is that you have to understand that you are SO LUCKY to be here instead of working at a sweatshop in China or Mexico. If you think about it, many problems are caused by the 1st world. Our large corporations look for jobs overseas where labor is cheap and plenty, they take advantage of the people AND the land... destroying their environment, taking land away that would have otherwise been used for food to feed the local population, but instead that food is being sent back to feed US... WE... indirectly... are taking advantage of everyone else in the world... contributing to pollution which aids in the spread of desert land and global warming and the destruction of valuable rain forest... this is ALL ONE BIG CIRCLE... THE WORLD IS NOT PERFECT BUT YOU MUST BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ALL CONNECTED.... so stop whining.

Myself
April 23, 2009 1:13 AM

I sooooo agree with I AM AMERICAN

you caucasion white races ppl shld appreciate what you have! you guys dnt give a sh$$! thinkin hispanics making your country worst! please if it wasnt for bush! once again CAUCASION president blockin jobs for illegal ppl to work the economy wouldnt be as fckd up as it is now! you white caucasion ppl are so fckn dumb! you wldnt be working the jobs that mexicans are even if you did you wldnt last long and quit like bitches dat you guys are! i hope you all get what you deserve you races son of bitches dat dnt appreciate nothn!

Oh Please
April 26, 2009 8:28 PM

I would just like to make everyone aware that 1)illegal immigrants are NOT the only one on food stamps, there are plenty of whites, blacks, etc that use food stamps. Also, MYSELF shouldn't insult people's intelligence when you cannot speak proper english. And lastly, how can anyone speak of how racist the world can be and then be so hypocritical as to slumpt to the same level? When people open their eyes to see that we are all humans the world can finally be a better place. As for anyone saying "we should send them back to their own country" if that's the case the only people living here would be Native Americans.

I look Mexican... but I'm Actually Irish, Black, & Native American
April 26, 2009 8:51 PM

I honestly think part of this whole 'Illegal Immigration' crap is being blown out of porportion because of hidden RACISM. I have been told to "Go back to Mexico," "Stop stealing our jobs," "You Mexicans make me sick" and other bull like that. The fact is, I'm NOT EVEN MEXICAN. I was born here, but since I look like a latina, I get a full-serving of the racism going on here in the US. I think judging a people simply because they have a different culture than you is just effin wrong. I bet if we started having immigrants from european countries, and white people just came pouring in, there would be NO COMPLAINTS ... few if any. Why can't we just realize that over 99.99% of our DNA is SHARED. There have been countless scientific studies to prove this. We're all over the same skin. And I've heard enough of this 'Mexicans are ruining the economy" mess. Illegal immigrants come from ALL OVER THE WORLD. The only reason there are more Mexicans, is because they're closer- you idiots.

immigrants are good
May 4, 2009 6:48 AM

I appreciate Ms. Krigman's piece on "numbers" and especially the detailing of the Jan. 3, 2005 Bear Stearns Report--which immediately caused Lou Dobbs to begin quoting "20 million" every night on hos show. Now, apparently, Dobbs hs recanted to 12 million? I don't believe it, but I suppose anything is possible. Notice I wrote "the Jan. 3, 2005 Bear Stearns Report". That report (which Ms. Krigman fails to point out) used 2004 data. Let me repeat--IT USED 2004 DATA!! It is now 2008, nearly four years and millions of illegal aliens later, and they aren't going back--yet. Time Magazine had a now-famous cover story on the Invasion in 2005. That report stated that 5 million broke into the U.S. in 2004! Since that time, it has been widely accepted among Border experts that on average, between 5,000 and 10,000 illegal aliens, mostly poor Mexicans, break into the U.S. every 24 hours. The higher figure represents about 3.5 million per year. While Ms. Krigman mentions how deaths were used by the Pew in calculating the number of illegals, it is interesting because many death certificates do not show a person's nationality. Since he's dead and may have had fraudulent ID or stolen ID on him, how do we know if he's illegal? They don't check. Thus, deaths are NOT a way to estimate the number of illegals in the U.S. Ms. Krigman hasn't done her homework on the subject. Had she done so, she would have mentioned the most recent and thorough study of "numbers" of illegal aliens in the U.S.--the October 2007 CAPS Report at http://www.capsweb.org/content.php?id=242&menu_id=8 The panel who made this report consisted of illegal immigration experts. They found that the figure is between 20 and 38 million. Only a few found it to be 20 million. And that report was 6 long, invasion months ago! That is why I believe the actual number to be 40 million. April 10, 2008 10:44 AM Chuck Adzemaohich said: Mexican! WHY do we NEED MORE MEXICAN’S Seriously, what makes the Mexican illegal alien so special? NOW!! They smell Amnesty in 2009! What do we owe Mexico, as our neighbor to the South, or the Mexican Nationals living in the United States of America Illegally? If we truly wanted to help the Worlds less fortunate, why do we not hold out the hand of Mercy to the Sudanese, Haitians, Moldavian, Central American’s, and those starving children of Chad these the huddled masses of these Nations are truly in need? All we hear about is the poor Mexican this, the poor Mexican that! Arizonians, have invested Millions upon Millions of dollars on its ELL program, there are at least 140,000 of these children in Arizona alone, GOD, knows how many are in California, and for what? Every other ethnic immigrant group managed to adapt to our American educational system. These children went on to become the intellect behind the Manhattan Project, NASA, and were instrumental in winning the Cold War! LOOK IT UP!!! Mexico is a Democratic Republic and one of the richest countries in the world; half of all Latin America’s Billionaires are from Mexico including top dog “Carlos Slim”! Mexico is a Republic in name only. It is an Oligarchy or Plutocracy, “Ask a Mexican” do we ever read articles in The New Times, Arizona Republic or any Major American Daily reporting how corrupt Mexico is? How about a piece on the indigenous native Mexicans demand for land REFORM in the South and the genocide associated with it? Or the R__e, Murder, Assault and Robbery of the Central Americans on Mexico’s southern border. Mexico, the legendary Mexican and in particular the “Soncho” are a JOKE in the Spanish-speaking world. A quote from the Soncho play book “I love you so many, I hardly can told you!” seriously, name two significant accomplishments Mexico has contributed to the world other then street drugs, gangs, mother’s illegally in the US with five children, raising our property tax’s for ELL instruction because Mexican children can not learn English in FIVE years, KILLING more Americans then the WAR, the list goes on and on! LOOK IT UP! Soncho, said “You stole our LAND, gringo” reply “We should have taken it all, YOU did Jack S__t with the rest and BLAME the USA for your failures ” Every person employed in Law Enforcement in Arizona from the Governor to the Cop on the beat should be ashamed to CASH his or her paycheck, due to dereliction of duty! All they seem capable of doing is to nibble at the loose ends, raid the high profile Drop House. They fear the wrath of Political Correct, and there hand off policy of the Mexican National; less we offend the Latino Community! One man puts duty before PC Joe A, our Sheriff and he is called a “Racist” for protecting us! Are those of us who want are immigration laws enforced Racist, xenophobic, or nativeists I strongly believe that being an American is not a Color, Creed, or National Origin it is a State of Mind and Sprit. The Will of the People supported by or Laws governs us. Our Executive branch both State and Federal are empowered to enforce these Laws equally by the will of the Governed. Our current immigration system in not broken its not enforced. Open you eyes and look at what has happened to OUR Nation after the 1986 Immigration Reform and Control Act (Simpson-Mazzoli Act); Less the 1 Million turned into 3.5 Million + now it is 2008 with 20 Million+ this will become 100 Million in twenty years! For the record I Helped Document a number of the applicants in the Amnesty to END all FUTURE Amnesties! I am the Grandchild of Immigrants and it was a Debt of Honor I was Happy and Willing to Repay! The truth behind our Federal and State government’s reluctance too invoke their Prosecutorial discursion in dealing with Employers and everyone else making Big Bucks off the illegal aliens is GREED! It is all about GREED and The Arizona Republic is feasting from the same feedbag as the Chamber of Commerce, they want there cut! Our elected Representative's are pandering to BIG and small business. Our Nation’s thirst for cheap disposable labor has corporate America afflicted with a condition akin to alcoholism “One is to much and 20 million isn’t enough”. Corporate America’s dependence on Illegal aliens undermines enforcement of our existing Immigration law. All of the hype over the Latino vote or the Hispanic caucus in just smoke and mirrors. It is a about GREED? The Employer Sanction Law is in effect, time will tell if any of the Big Boys take a HIT! “God Bless the United States of America, and the Men and Women who have made her Great!” April 10, 2008 11:02 AM Juan Hernandez said: The number is at least 20 million. If you look at the number of border crossing, the births to illegals at US hospitals, the huge and growing Hispanic population in almost every state (these people didn't come out of thin air), the use of Spanish in almost all business, and the 1000's I see every day that weren't here 5 years ago - and it does seem to highly suggest that there's a lot more of them. If we don't close down the border, we'll soon have 40, 60, 100 million. It's pretty bad around here already, but it could get worse. April 10, 2008 12:43 PM Ali said: 12 or 20? Does it really matter. We only need to know we have one heck of a lot of people violating the law and that one illegal alien is too many. April 10, 2008 12:44 PM Juan Hernandez said: Sure, give them driver's licenses. This CBS article sums up we shouldn't provide any additional incentives to illegals. Be warned, if your read the article, it will totally piss you off........ www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/07/eveningnews/main4000401.shtml April 10, 2008 12:48 PM simplyillegal said: The Illegal immigrants are exploiters of America if the come here without assimilating. Legal immigrants are welcome! Criminals from other countries are not wanted or needed by America--and we have laws on the books to protect ourselves from these lawless invaders. We are so caught up in greed, so tangled up in political correctness, that we have lost (among other things) our sense of balance and sanity. We are giving away our nation to illegal foreigners who do not want or understand our way of life. Many of us have had enough of lawlessness on a grand and unprecedented scale. End illegal immigration and deport all illegal immigrants. April 10, 2008 1:00 PM Peter said: One illegal immigrant is to many because it only takes one criminal alien to pull the trigger as we have seen in so many tragic cases. April 10, 2008 1:41 PM Rick Hickey said: The Californians for Population Stabilization took the Bear-Stearns numbers and used the official Border Patrol #'s and then used a former head State Economist for CA. and came up with 22-35 Million here Illegally. That 12 million # is mostly from Pew from 3 years ago, even at only 1 Million per year that number should be at least 15 Million by now April 10, 2008 2:00 PM frank l kinney said: we lose gain nothing from illegal immigration. texas, arizona, california, new york, illinois, the cost is unbelievable!!! the cost is the american economy? three amigo's whish to give what" 35 million amnesty? enforce clear act of 07 which cuts off federal funds to so called sanctuary citys would be nice? san francisco's gavin newsom, obama's illinois! hillary bloomberg new york! enforcement we just don't see" what we do see is protection from enforcement from states and goverment!!! mcCain kyl arizona with open borders? gov. new mexico's billy richardson giving driver license out over four years? american victims from crime does not bother anyone in washington? texas, D- mouth jackson, R- lamar smith, R- hutchison, R-ron paul? hutch stops fence? lamar smith wants triple visas? D we all know where they stand, like the 14 to stop the fence protectionist!!! all tell us they want are votes period " what we get in return is what they all have on their agenda now" lobbyist running there campaigns lobbyist? corporate lobbyist and their best interest? third world country we get !!! look how they protect our safety in planes? look at refugees with TB leprosy syphilis in arkansas tyson foods plant" thats wonderful news!! refugees let into our country not even screened for disease? secure border is the only thing that will show any sense yet this they try to stop!!! how can any american citizen not see the reality of the amigo three? support this kind of neglect and security from the three amigo's dumb!!!! thrid party candidate? ron paul putting togeather a libertarian candidate? whats that someone who is not a full liberal? constitution party.com as a few good candidates! oh we need a change big time!!! but a person that can deal with all the issues and put our country back in order! system! values! schools! immigration! imports! security! jobs! wages! health care and protection from it thats for sure!!! china made blood thinner kills murders 103 american citizens? does not even make news? walmart china supplied health clinics future?h-1 b h-2 b foreign visas for foreign nurses and doctors? visas for foreign tech workers? we are getting nailed from everywhere and are getting nowhere, but foreclosers? won't even give help to americans here either? hell they set it up? they get bailed out? when one really sees reality and what this goverment is doing us all" what TIMBER!!! 2ND GRADE READING" GAY READING! obama iran lets talk? iran talk to a gay prayer type guy? ugly ugly nothing but ugly? 6 years of this kind of ugly in michigan!!! look at what all america is getting NOW? if anything i tryed to tell it! i'am know quiz kid and do not try to be one either" but i sure know a dirty rat when i see him! trouble is thats all we ever see don't you think? independent. read lou dobbs book, one will see just a little more clearly. spirit michigan little big horn AMEN. April 10, 2008 2:51 PM William Garland said: Another source of information on the number of illegal aliens is Immigrationcounters.com which places the nunmber at over 21 million and provides a rationale for how it arrived at that number. April 10, 2008 6:42 PM Doroteo arango said: To all that are cry baby's, there is nothing that will stop the Latin population from growing in the united states, Obama will be another president that comes from a immigrant family too just like every other race,white,black,hispanic,asians that came to this beautiful country! All races have always fought to be free in this country and it’s only fair to do so. my question to all you idiots that are trying to solve a migration(invasion) problem that started since CHRISTOPHER COLOMBUS, what is more illegal, crossing the entire ocean and landing on the united states illegally or crossing a river and walking into the united states illegally? Every person that has lived in this country (except American & Mexican Indians) at one point crossed the ocean; the Rio Bravo River, desert, and mountains to get here so go back and learn American history. Hope you can answer my question. April 13, 2008 12:18 AM Doroteo Arango said: The Fence, what a joke, tax payer money wasted, just like the billions that are being spent in Iraq and all the brave men that have given their lives for America, whithin these brave men there are Illigals from mexico too. I think that when they are under fire, no one is asking what is your statues back in America. We are all immigrants!! April 13, 2008 12:36 AM Adelaida Ochoa said: I Agree with you we don't come here to take your job away all we want is to have a better life for our family that doesn't hurt anybody..... April 17, 2008 5:59 PM Elena said: Dear Adelaida, Yes you certainly are taking our jobs ,first in the fields then its going for a better job (which is understandable). MY husband who was born here 5th generation does not have a job or works for lower wages. The ONLY PEOPLE WHO BENEFIT having THE ILLEGALS ARE ....OUR... OH say BUSH,CHENEY BIG BUSINESS....DEW DEW to the ENTIRE REST OF THE USA May 6, 2008 3:38 PM rhonda said: Our economy is going to the dogs. "Illegals are good for our economy" the exploiters who hire them lie and say. Not only do they take our jobs (I know more Americans who earn less than minimum wage these days than the number of illegals who do, but we Americans all pay taxes, because employers have loopholes and can get away with underpaying us), illegals pay no taxes, steal our health care we can't afford to pay for (though we pay the taxes for it), and then we're "reminded" how great our economy is. GREAT? Prices are going up exponentially, taxes are going up exponentially, salaries are dropping below minimum wage, and Mexicans have huge amounts of money. My Mexican neighbors (illegals) all have nice, shiny new vehicles, $250 toys for EACH of their kids, and are always buying something big, like a large screen TV. They all have nice new 50" TVs, while I have a 30-year-old falling apart thing that won't work next year. Adelaida, when you come here to make a "better life," pay for your OWN emergency room visits and your own kids' educations. You ARE hurting us when you steal our tax dollars for your FREE health care or to educate your kids. And don't go on welfare. It's not a handout. It's supposed to temporarily help Americans. The day we can go to Mexico and get welfare before Mexican citizens is the day you can come here and get it before Americans can...with my blessing. May 10, 2008 2:11 AM Proud Mexican in the U.S. said: Stop crying about illegal immigrants taking your jobs and get yourself a job. I am a college student with no benefits such as Financial Aid, and I don't sit and whine about it. I work part-time and my husband a legal immigrant is able to support our family as I attend college.... The minimum wage an illegal immigrant earns belongs to them they earned it, by doing many of the low-class jobs that so many people won't do! American society has long been addicted to cheap labor so all the whining should take place at the door of the employers who hire them......oh yeah and all of you who complain about not having a job,and claim all of the American jobs are being taken, grab a hat, long sleeved shirt, jeans and a jug of water because your going to need to harvest your own crops as soon as you deport all of the illegal immigrants. Have a Nice Day!! May 22, 2008 3:23 AM uk immigration serf said: I'm not sure how the UK compares in terms of percentage of population but just in shear numbers I hadn't realised the huge increase in numbers of illegal immigrants. Whatever, the solution it's looking like an increasingly overwhelming situation... whatever the solutions will not be palatable for all and will cost taxpayers billions. I guess this is what happens when governments sit on a problem and don't do enough, early enough. June 2, 2008 5:52 AM American proud to say Welcome! said: To all of the whinners in the world it's too bad you take for granted the opportunity for a higher quality of life we possess here in America, and waist your effort complaining about those who do. If you ever had the opportunity to live the life many of these "Mexican illegals" lived before risking their lives to provide a better one for thier family, you may understand. If you cared at all about your own you wouldn't want them to live a life in which you were responsible for not pursuing better for them! By the way so many of you have mentioned No Taxes, HELLO, where do all the deductions from their paychecks go for the years held and never claimed? Oh and have you any knowledge on the other nationalities who come to the US and recieve tax breaks and for them the process for becoming a citizen? Why is this so much easier for all but "Mexicans"? As for taking the jobs, there is no excuse for an american without one, besides laziness. The American business owner knows this and uses it to there advantage. Don't worry the illegals are beginning to realize their intellect, labor skills and work ethic are far better than the average American worker, it is only a matter of time before they insist on and recieve a higher wage than most of the American laborers. Oh and when they do learn english, and become legal with drivers liscense, look out because then they wont have to settle for the less desireable positions! You may just be going to thier businesses in search of a JOB! I send my warm welcome once again to all of the illegal immigrants, keep on coming and settle for nothing less than than you know you deserve! To all the rest of you learn to appreciate what you have and are able to provide your family with, you never know when you may one day be down and out! The same faces you see and laugh at when you are rising to the top, may one day be the very same faces you see when you fall and need a hand! After all regardless of what, aren't we supposed to love our neighbor!??????? Be blessed! July 7, 2008 9:37 AM Hulia said: I can't believe how long we have let this immigration problem go on. We deport hundreds of people from Europe and Other countries like Samolia why should Mexican illegals be any different even if the companies they work for would have to pay higher wages and maybe we might have to pay a little more for food it would still cost us a help of a lot less than we are paying for their illegal asses to spend crime and desease in our country now. September 3, 2008 5:57 PM John Anthony said: Juan Hernades Why do you like to refer immigrants as them whent you know yuou are one of us. we are here to work. we do the worst jobs found in the u.s. if you want to do them do them dont insult me for doing something you dont want to do! i gota September 16, 2008 2:15 PM Proud to be an American said: Wow people. First of all for all of you who say that immigrants don't pay taxes you guys need to definitely get your facts straight. When Immigrants go to get their paychecks they ALSO HAVE TO pay taxes And a lot of times they get more taken away than they should. Yet they can't claim that money at the end of the year like you and me.When they go to any store they also have to pay sales tax. As for the part where they take away OUR jobs thats total BULL!!! How many American Born citizens do you know that would love or dream to work in the fields?Or mowing lawns? what about working at a fast food restaurant? NONE!!! All of you who claim you can't find jobs are obviously not trying hard enough or are just plainly high school drop outs!!! Because if an unskilled and illiterate illegal immigrant is coming to the U.S. and is taking YOUR job chances are you DIDN'T take advantage of going to school to learn like you are supposed to. And don't make up excuses to why you didn't graduate because the truth is it's not very hard to graduate high school. And it won't kill you to do an extra 2 to 4 years of college so that way you don't have to worry about getting YOUR job taken away from a so called "illegal immigrant"!!!! September 16, 2008 8:58 PM truthezawesome said: Im an american that realized america is not a free country because if it was then any human being should be able to come here from another country for free. What happen to we dont discriminate against color, race , or religion . For all the people who complain mexicans need to pay taxes give them a social security card so they can i know they wont have a problem doing that and if you claim that we pay for there health care you are so wrong the news paper did a study on the two hospitals in our town both directors of the hospitals agree the illegal immigrants pay cash for there bill up front and that the bills in the arrearage owed to the hospitals are from american citizens thats right us the people born here are ripping off the hospitals . I have 6 brothers not one of them are willing to roof, work in the fields, or fast food . I hate to say it most of these jobs americans wont do so the farmers dont have a choice but to hire mexicans because they know they will work hard for every penny. So the question is what happen to america is free the land of the free why arent we stepping up to the plate for what we believe in if the problem is crime then we need to make the mexicans legal have them all fingerprinted pictures taken social securty cards if you say they can run back to mexico well news flash us americans can commit murder and run to mexico also except we dnt need a green card to enter not even a passport its pretty sad that mexicans cant enter the same way! September 19, 2008 12:38 PM dotherightthing said: Wow. I am currently doing some research on illegal immigration, and I only see cons. I can't even understand why people have allowed illegal immigrants to continually flow into the U.S. Its amazing that people on this blog only greet these law-breakers with open arms. What kind of Americans are you? For the first blogger, I don't know how you understand the conditions of what these "poor illegal immigrants" are going through in their homeland, but I do know. My mother is a LEGAL immigrant of teh United States, and she came from India. I don't know if you have ever been there before, but I have 3 times, and I can assure you that it is no "walk in the park." She came to this country LEGALLY. There was no RUNNING over the border, no illegal status, and she was still able to enjoy America and its perks. For some of the other bloggers, according to Sonoran news in 2007, 36-42 % of illegal immigrants are living off of welfare. How the hell could they be diligently paying taxes, when half of them are using the tax payers money...? For the last blogger, your suggestion of giving them a social security card would be the dumbest idea yet. Social Security is nothing but crap and will only tax the future generations more and more. So no, we cannot just freely hand out Social Security cards. For those of you who DO support illegal immigrants, why don't you take them into your houses, feed them, care for them, transport them, and let the rest of us tax payers take a rest from these people. I would LOVE to see that happen. Ha. September 30, 2008 5:01 PM illegalimmigrant said: i am not illegal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! October 28, 2008 9:48 AM luism said: How would you go about deporting millions of illegals when you don't even know how many are in the U.S. November 3, 2008 2:28 PM Steven R. Scheise said: this was a very informative peice thank you November 6, 2008 2:38 PM born here said: okay. all of those damn illegal aliens(mexicans) need to get the out of our country! now! thank you this was very informational November 7, 2008 11:20 AM da mexican said: I think that mexicans should be allowed in the us. my dad has lived in the us for over 10 years and hasen't seen his mom or dad for that time and still cant get documents. i am a student at a charter high shool and i belive that mexicans should all get papers. so i send a message to all those people that don't want mexicans here "f u u mother f-ers u can all suck on my big thing you son o bitches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! November 13, 2008 12:10 PM Mike Hasch said: I don't think illegal immigrants should be in the U.S. cuze the make a lot gangs and it's f*u*c*kin up our country. If they have paper's then it's ok, but if they don't then they should leave and don't come back cuze all u do is make problem's. November 17, 2008 11:50 AM comin person said: no illegal's in the U.S. November 17, 2008 11:53 AM Look at your last Name said: To all the peole ho have left a message on this board, I give you some homework tonight: look up your last name and if your last name didn't have to cross over seas or a land border then you have right to complain because the truth is that all of us are immigrants maybe you personally didn't smuggle in to the U.S. or walk through the dessert to get here but your great great grandpa did or your great great great great grandpa did! November 18, 2008 4:14 AM colin said: stay in Mexico, illegal aliens! go pick apples some where else. November 18, 2008 7:10 PM Obamagrl:P said: to "look at your last name" Our country may be full of immigrants...but those of us who are not illegals **PAY TAXES**!!!! I dont know about you, but those people who don't pay taxes and are using our resources (like firefighters and police officers)are making me mad because they are jeopardizing other people lives, when they shouldn't even be here in the first place. I'm all for LEGAL immigration! go ahead, be my guest...Pay taxes! and yeah I'm against illegal immigration, but maybe we should try to close up our borders, (which we are thank god!) and then try to help make the illegal immigrants make there countries better, (after we get ourselves out of the pot hole we've dug ourselves into) - oh and PS go Obama!!! November 18, 2008 10:45 PM Gringos suck!! said: ok you people only think immigrants are bad they don't pay taxes they come to ruin the country they take our jobs and such. When actually they work the jobs that you do not want to work for even less money and getting money taking away from them and cannot reclaim it at the end of the year. They are scared of the fact that they may be deported at anytime. Which does occur and they have to leave there children here alone in the country. Also what about back then when Europeans came here they didn't go through this crap like Hispanics go through. But no white people are always on top freaking jealous people!!!! December 1, 2008 7:09 PM Oregon lady said: I think all illegals should be shipped back.. Has anyone been to a welfare office ?? It is so over run by Mexicans, you cant even get any help.. They come to our country have 5 babies and suck our economy dry, then send all of their money back to Mexico.. December 2, 2008 12:22 AM Mike Hasch said: Ya some illeals do take the jobs we U.S. Citizens don’t want, but a lot of them go to other jobs and take it from us legal Americans because these illegal dumb sh*t’s work for like 3 dollars an hour! They over populate our country and start stuff with our economy. Ya some of our great, great, great, great, great, grandparents came on a boat or walked from a fare distance to get here, but times have changed and this is a country that doesn’t take sh*t so get a green card or get out. PS. Illegal immigrants should know what their risking when they break the law. December 2, 2008 4:56 PM Marissa said: if any one wants to talk about this give me a call cuze i'm illegal !!!!! December 4, 2008 4:21 PM Nathan said: i like Carlos Mencia's idea on how to stop illegal immigration. When we capture an illegal alien, tell him that he is going to guard the border, and if any illegals pass through, the ones that got through will replace the one that was on guard. PROBLEM SOLVED!! The ones guarding will make sure that no one gets through or else they will get deported. December 17, 2008 9:13 PM Chuck Miller said: America is a Soverign Nation with our national security in jepardy, because of very thinly protected borders. Illegal Aliens have broken our Federal laws in crossing into our country without permission! Illegals include Islamic terrorists and Drug dealers and human trafficing. No other Country in the world allows people to come into their country, without going through the proper proceedures. America is a Republic, we live under our Constitution and Bill of Rights and the rule of law. Since 911 over 78,000 Americans have been killed by illegal aliens. 30% of our federal prison system are illegals. Diseases are brought in and we now have a reacurence of a new strain of TB and various other diseases that we do not have a cure for. Over $40 billion in illegal drugs such as cocain are brought across our borders every year to kill our family members and friends, if they can hook them on drugs. Have you seen the enviormental disaster in Arizona and California? Illegals have left garbage all over the place. Take a look. Oh yes some of you say we are all Illegals except the Indians. Indians came from Asia and Europe, and this is 2008 and we have laws against people that come here illegally. Americans that are the most upset about Illegal Aliens are the immigrants that came here legally! They learned our English language and our laws and swore a oath to our flag and Nation. Thank You! December 19, 2008 1:08 AM tncdel said: The number of illegals in the U.S. is over DOUBLE that: at least 40 million. January 26, 2009 1:03 PM proud immigrant said: ok i think it is ok for people to immigrate here but why do it illegally that pisses me off because what about the immigrants that saved money had to take classes so one day they can be a citzen but no you illegals whine about how you deserve rights. i am going to go to mexico illegally and demand rights and you know what i will be sent to jail so f**k you complainers do it the right way and become a citzen January 28, 2009 8:04 PM Pointing finger at wrong source said: Yes it is obvious that illegal immigrants suck from public services (hospitals, schools, and welfare). It is also obvious that this problem will not stop - did we not pass Save our State Proposition 187 in 1994 that was so easily forgotten? Does it matter what people vent in forums or think about this issue? The problem is GREEEED!!!! American businesses are the source of America's problems, and will be its demise. Ironic? Yes and no. If ZERO contractors hired cheap labour, for how long would this problem continue? The gov't washes its hands and ignores the biggest issue facing America's sovereignty. Many great points were made by those responding to this article, but these complaints were made in the 90s too. Has it gotten better? Will anything change in the next ten years? It will change for the worse. Fence? This is a good solution if you believe regression is the right solution. Shutting out neighbors solves nothing. Besides, those living in this country illegally come from Asia, Africa, and Europe too. Those who come here legally and disregard visa limits are just as guilty. Back to the fence...And who would build it, illegals? The root of this problem is unscrupulous business greed. Probing around towns and chasing illegal immigrants is time consuming and doesn't stop the incoming flow. Curbing the source does everything. Do you believe checking the validity of an applicant's papers is difficult? Why don't employers do this? It shouldn't be a surprise why construction sites across the country are filled with illegal, exploited labour. Yes, they are here illegally. But don't forget that they are here because of the self-serving garbage who are undermining American labour while protecting the bottom line. With the economy on the decline, immigrants will become the target of the country's problems. Americans take notice when their wallets are hit. Meanwhile, businesses will find ways to curb declining profits by outsourcing and grabbing cheaper labour. It pays to be illegal. Remember: The next time you become outraged at those in this country illegally, direct your anger at those providing the magnets while filling their own wallets. January 31, 2009 6:31 PM American Plain & Simple said: Most all of the comments mention "illegals do the jobs most Americans don't want to do". That's probably true, but....The employer the illegals work for should be fined an amount to equal the amount he has saved by hiring the illegals. Illegal aliens not only do the junk labor, they have babies, put their kids in school, get medical attention, live in apartments/houses, have dental care, food etc. etc. all on the money they collect on welfare which the average 'Joe" American pays for. All illegals need to be deported back to their homeland now! Take a look at the lines of illegals waiting to apply/collect their(actually our) money. I'm tired of going thru the grocery check out line waiting for the illegal who has just purchased more groceries than I can afford and all they do is hand over their "welfare" tickets. February 7, 2009 2:12 PM shame u up said: you know why terrorists attack us becus all u fool american do some stupid mistakes February 9, 2009 4:07 PM MS. YOU.KNOW.WHAT! said: ILLEGAL ALIENS! and immigration... a big problem in the US.. i've been reading all these comments and i have a comment of my ow. I am a Student At soth Side high school. I have come to the US to get a education.. I did not come here to join a gang, get into drugs, or KILL as 1 of ya said..whites.. I came here to learn. so for when I go to Mexico I can have knowledge of what I learned over here. I have been through so much-and have experienced so much-discrimmination. Some use to call me illegal- I used to cry! they would say they were going to deport me and my family- the least we would want. WE the ones that come here have a DREAM! just like once MARTIN LUTHER KING JR> once had, and now look at this OBAMA he's black and well if their is a blck president why can't their be MEXICANS here wit the drema of being someone and having a FREAKEN job!!!! All we need is some money and trying to live life as MOST of ya here do.. bt we are not freaken taking ya jobs.. we just look harder and do hose jobs some of ya dont take! Everyone is the same and your generation-trace it back- and you'll find your a freaken illegal like the rest of us! February 18, 2009 8:55 AM Victoria said: TWENTY MILLION??? MORE LIKE 42 MILLION! February 22, 2009 3:15 PM Victoria said: Marissa, you really got some nerve being proud to be illegal. My great grandparents had to work them selves to the bone to get into this country, LEGALLY, and you are truly a disgrace to this country, your country, and yourself. I hope you get arrested and thrown in sheriff Joe's tent city! February 22, 2009 3:18 PM j wvilla said: how can you say theres 12 million, go to wallmart on a sat there you will see 1 million and counting and these are all on food stamps because as soon as they cross they drop an anchor baby so they can qualify for everything including government housing, wic, medicaid where one eats 20 eat! its our fault we tax payers take it and take it and senators just go on vacation! we need to implement the laws we have! DON'T HIRE AN ILLEGAL ALIEN! so they can go home! March 2, 2009 1:11 PM tncdel said: No, the actual number of illegal aliens is CLOSER TO 40 MILLION! Not 20 million. March 2, 2009 4:57 PM George said: I arrived at the U.S in 1989. since then I have look for work and work and work ect. , now 33 still with the same status , I'm loosing my mind , faith , self confidence and no hope for my future as a man who can support himself or help his family that way any normal human could and should , I just wanna be a part of society and contribute . But this would never ( it seens) going to be acomplished. my life is a mess , only getting worst. March 5, 2009 8:07 PM Marie said: They all need to go home! The sooner the better. They need to over throw that corrupt government and make Mexico a place they can be proud to live in and leave OUR country alone. March 14, 2009 2:31 PM John said: The Mexicans are the ones in the fields picking fruits and vegetables. I don't see any Americans volunteering to take these jobs so STOP COMPLAINING! March 18, 2009 6:41 PM ILLEGAL person said: i'm illegal call me if you want to talk abot this 775-450-9244. i'll be waiting!!!!!! March 26, 2009 3:28 PM Justin said: John, you're delusional at best. The so called money that they save you is a lot less than the money that it cost us to have them here. Think about it, many bring their families here, which leads to more schools (your greatest property tax percentage), more crime (leading to more police officers), more free health care to these people (leading to raising your premiums through the roof), more roadways need to be constructed (which includes more traffic, waste of fuel, repair, sanders in cold climate locations, etc.), and let's not forget all of the money they send back to their people in their country (further causing the dollar to lose value), and let's not also forget about all the money being dumped into school programs like ESL (English as a Second Language) which has shown very little improvement with these children's test scores and learning abilities, etc, etc. I could go on all day with this, but I feel that some of you will never change your minds on this issue no matter how many facts are thrown at you. One last thing John, before you open your mouth again, learn the fact with regards to the whole picture. What good will America be to the poor in the world if we take in so many people and strain our economy so much that we become like the countries in which they are leaving? Unfortunately, Commonsense seems to be alluding may in this country these days. March 31, 2009 10:06 AM steve said: hi im steve and i would like to say to all illegals to go home and never come back your the ones that made our economy bad leave so america can be good again or go back and then come here with a green card April 2, 2009 11:39 AM yessy said: steve person, immigrants cant just get a card out of the blue and illegals arent making the economy bad. its america whos doing their own harm, since they consume more than they produce. and by the way the US economy would sour without immigration, which is 14 percent of it. April 2, 2009 7:01 PM me said: hey its me i would just like to tell all elegals to lose the freaken accent learn to speak english properly or go f***en home to mexico i hate pullen up to a drive thru and hearing blahlkjopjfsoijiodjiojsdiojokifoio and having him say it over and over and finally when you order its the wrong order seriously. April 5, 2009 9:41 PM billy joe said: i like me. April 16, 2009 12:45 PM I AM American said: My parents came to the U.S. illegally in the late 70's, and they were able to receive their papers very easily. Today, that is not so... many illegal immigrants are here for years and still cannot get their papers... lawyer fees, paperwork, it is a LONG process, especially since the government has made it so difficult. My entire family was illegal but I am proud to say that, even though my parents did not graduate from high school... I actually go to one of the top universities in the U.S., a public ivy... studies have shown that immigrants do not lower wages (at the most 3 % for high school drop-outs)... immigrants definitely have a hard time assimilating since so many Americans look down on them, and this is not what they need. In the 1800's when immigrants from Ireland and Germany came over, they were looked down upon (reference countless racist articles published during that time)... yet here they are now looking down on Hispanics. Many Hispanics come here for a better life... DUH... and yes, they do pay taxes, they buy lots of stuff... sales tax, they give back to the economy in multiple ways... plus, all of the baby boomers out there can rejoice in the fact that (since there is a declining population in the U.S. due to declining fertility rates) there will be more people giving back in the end. I was born here in the U.S... I consider myself American (but I also proud to of my parents for their journey)... If they had not come to the U.S.... I would probably be pregnant and selling tortillas in the hot sun in a crappy little house with no future. All I am telling you all is that you have to understand that you are SO LUCKY to be here instead of working at a sweatshop in China or Mexico. If you think about it, many problems are caused by the 1st world. Our large corporations look for jobs overseas where labor is cheap and plenty, they take advantage of the people AND the land... destroying their environment, taking land away that would have otherwise been used for food to feed the local population, but instead that food is being sent back to feed US... WE... indirectly... are taking advantage of everyone else in the world... contributing to pollution which aids in the spread of desert land and global warming and the destruction of valuable rain forest... this is ALL ONE BIG CIRCLE... THE WORLD IS NOT PERFECT BUT YOU MUST BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE ALL CONNECTED.... so stop whining. April 18, 2009 2:30 PM Myself said: I sooooo agree with I AM AMERICAN you caucasion white races ppl shld appreciate what you have! you guys dnt give a sh$$! thinkin hispanics making your country worst! please if it wasnt for bush! once again CAUCASION president blockin jobs for illegal ppl to work the economy wouldnt be as fckd up as it is now! you white caucasion ppl are so fckn dumb! you wldnt be working the jobs that mexicans are even if you did you wldnt last long and quit like bitches dat you guys are! i hope you all get what you deserve you races son of bitches dat dnt appreciate nothn! April 23, 2009 1:13 AM Oh Please said: I would just like to make everyone aware that 1)illegal immigrants are NOT the only one on food stamps, there are plenty of whites, blacks, etc that use food stamps. Also, MYSELF shouldn't insult people's intelligence when you cannot speak proper english. And lastly, how can anyone speak of how racist the world can be and then be so hypocritical as to slumpt to the same level? When people open their eyes to see that we are all humans the world can finally be a better place. As for anyone saying "we should send them back to their own country" if that's the case the only people living here would be Native Americans. April 26, 2009 8:28 PM I look Mexican... but I'm Actually Irish, Black, & Native American said: I honestly think part of this whole 'Illegal Immigration' crap is being blown out of porportion because of hidden RACISM. I have been told to "Go back to Mexico," "Stop stealing our jobs," "You Mexicans make me sick" and other bull like that. The fact is, I'm NOT EVEN MEXICAN. I was born here, but since I look like a latina, I get a full-serving of the racism going on here in the US. I think judging a people simply because they have a different culture than you is just effin wrong. I bet if we started having immigrants from european countries, and white people just came pouring in, there would be NO COMPLAINTS ... few if any. Why can't we just realize that over 99.99% of our DNA is SHARED. There have been countless scientific studies to prove this. We're all over the same skin. And I've heard enough of this 'Mexicans are ruining the economy" mess. Illegal immigrants come from ALL OVER THE WORLD. The only reason there are more Mexicans, is because they're closer- you idiots.

joe says hi
May 11, 2009 9:53 PM

da mexican, go shut the crap up

unknown
May 11, 2009 10:07 PM

what?

unknown
May 11, 2009 10:07 PM

what?

joe says hi
May 11, 2009 10:09 PM

no offense though

joe says hi
May 13, 2009 12:58 PM

no wait, i meant alot of offense

IB Student
May 18, 2009 10:08 PM

Illegal immigrants are like exotic plants. Exotic plants encroach upon the lands of native plants, slowly invading their space. Illegal immigrants come to the US, and take away jobs from US citizens, from miinimum-wage jobs to high-paying jobs.

American CITIZEN
May 29, 2009 1:22 AM

As an American citizen I kindly ask that you get out of OUR country. Screw your own.

legal citizen
June 28, 2009 11:39 AM

Four main points. One: When you are illegal, you are not paying into our system, you know the one you use and abuse to live on while here. We pay, and those who do if they need assistance rarely get it, because by being legal they have a way according to the regulations to obtain more money. Two: To get an accurate count of how many illegals are here, get the number from DES, all those on assistance times 95% should give us a pretty good idea, and that of course does not count their family members, so that will be on the low end. Three: Solution to health care, get rid of the illegals first, then look at our system and budget from there, it probably won't be as bad as it seems right now. By the way no Universal Plan will work unless we do. Look at Canada, England, France, they do not pay for foreigners they only pay for their own, who pay with their taxes. We can't pick and choose what part we want and compare accurately. Four: How to get rid of the illegals? Stop all benefits, increase police in those areas and deport them back or give them the choice to get visa's look for jobs and begin the process of becoming citizens.

pablito
July 27, 2009 3:59 PM

VIVA LOS MEXICANS!!!!!!!!!

vince dean
August 11, 2009 11:47 AM

I've notice in the u.s. the outbreaks in the last year or so of bed bugs. i really believe it is all the illegal immagrants and legal bringing them from there countries. my neighborhood didn't have such a break out untill the latin communities started coming in our rental house's and community. Really,does the goverment check for this in the legal immagrant's and the crazy parasites,disease's and god knows what!!!! GET it together for our sake!!! We didn't have the swine flu or bed bugs 6yrs. ago, what other crazy crap do they harbor we don't know about????? Lookin out for U.S.A. people who were born here, need more vaccination's before allowed in U.S. and every test for parasite's and crazy diseases!!!

cant get a job because of mexicans
August 11, 2009 12:15 PM

Every temp. service around here is NOW ran by spanish. I was the only one in a temp service in fairfield,ohio called"ASD orADS staffing". the only onre filling out paper work to get a job. All of a sudden 9 latino's stroll thru they started talking to them about work and taking them first!! WHAT the HELL!!!! I thought most likely related in some way, cousins or whatever, because only one could speak english for the rest. I didn't even exist in the lobby!!! Boy,was that discrimination towards the white guy in lobby.Seen that more than once toward other white's and ME!!! U.S.IS GONE TO HELL!!! MY friend daughter is at a job in ohio,they are closing down to move to mexico,for tax breaks and cheap labor!!! Illegals are coming here and taking our jobs, employer rather pay them 7hr.( as long as they can get away with it, and a lot do with hi-tech fake forms and document's) when in the u.s. they could pay us 10hr(real U.S. citizen,born here,all legal.) HELL, look at EVANS LANDSCAPING in newtown,ohio. No ONE hasn't investigated them for illegal's!! EVERY house around EVANS LANDSCAPING has a mexican on the porch cause he buys the houses for them,charges all 10 that live in 2 or 3 bedroom(OH,what happened to fire codes by the way!!)Pays them cheap labor wages. about every one of the mexicans live right there and ride bikes to stores.(can't get legal license to drive, i bet one out of the bunch has his or her's!!!! I SEE THIS SHIT ALL DAY, tired of it america!!!! stick up for what is yours, WE FOUGHT THE ALAMO FOR NOTHING I GUESS, ALL THOSE AMERICAS WHO LOST THERE LIVES TO FIGHT FOR US AND YOU ALL COWARD DOWN!!!!

Lady Liberty
August 19, 2009 11:35 PM

Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

...
August 21, 2009 5:45 AM

Not all illegal aliens are mexican some are chinese,salvadorian,brazilian,cuban,peruvian ect..but you guys don't gotta hate on the mexican just because they're south of the border an don't you guys think if they get legalized they'll have to start paying taxes also an have the same problem we all do sooooo there's no point in hating illegals for supposably being "criminals"

michael
September 15, 2009 10:21 AM

i cant find my civics class info

Dear Mr. Immigrants are Good
September 23, 2009 10:33 PM

yes, they are good, but when they are illegal they are not

VANESSA
September 24, 2009 4:24 PM

This is for the ignorant, proud and stupid americans who think that they know everything... This is the word of a ex-illegal immigrant in USA, I come into the USA with a Visa, I didn't jump through Mexican Border, I loved USA with all my heart, but I never had a chance to legalize myself In your great country, but I see every year the wrong people legalizing themselves into the USA, but, me , my husband, honest and nice people, fluency in english, completed university in our country, we like your american football, your food, your life, everything in your country, but your politics does not like immigrants, never gave any fair immigration law, actually never gave any on my 12 yrs. living illegallty on the USA. I guess that RACISM is not only for the black community, but it's ok, stay with the losers, because USA is a loser for the rest of the world ! You screw with the immigrants, now your country's economy is broked ! Well done Mr. Busch, Your country is a mess because of you and your fellow americans attitude ! WELL DONE, you guys really think that you are the best nation in the world, ok, I agree, your country is beautiful and awesome, but the americans who live in the US are so fricking proud of themselves, maybe because of this USA is being punished by GOD ! OPEN YOUR EYES USA, before it's too late and you go competing with the 3rd world countries...

George
October 5, 2009 11:00 AM

Yes that maybe correct including your grand grandpa too. Because you are not the native American Indian, just visitor for your life time, that is all who all you are here. Good luck to account some more of those poor people. The big crime was done long time ago.

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